Gibraltar official language

[Daniel]

Hi,

Just to clarify the issue of the official language in Gibraltar. This is
taken from the Gibraltar government page (www.gibraltar.gov.uk):

'The official language in Gibraltar is English although a mixture of English
and Spanish is spoken in casual conversation. This local "dialect" is
referred to as "Llanito".'

"Gibraltar Facts
Languages: English & Spanish"

Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?

Daniel

[Jim Watt]

Post by Daniel
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?

I'm not aware of either, however the constitution and laws of
Gibraltar are published only in English.

The CIA factbook puts it neatly

English (used in schools and for official purposes),

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

The CIA 'factbook' can be extremely inaccurate and of course is not a
publication to be relied upon to prove or disprove the finer points of
English law.

How does Gibraltar get its water? For may years it had very outdated
information.

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Daniel
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?

I'm not aware of either, however the constitution and laws of
Gibraltar are published only in English.
The CIA factbook puts it neatly
English (used in schools and for official purposes),
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Daniel
Hi,
Just to clarify the issue of the official language in Gibraltar. This is
'The official language in Gibraltar is English although a mixture of
English and Spanish is spoken in casual conversation. This local "dialect"
is referred to as "Llanito".'
"Gibraltar Facts
Languages: English & Spanish"
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?
Daniel

No, and that's my point. A language can only be 'official' if enshrined in
law, this has never been done under English law. The Welsh language act
1993 is about the nearest be have got to recognising an official language
under English law (or course this part of the law only pertains to Wales).

[darius]

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Daniel
Hi,
Just to clarify the issue of the official language in Gibraltar. This is
'The official language in Gibraltar is English although a mixture of
English and Spanish is spoken in casual conversation. This local "dialect"
is referred to as "Llanito".'
"Gibraltar Facts
Languages: English & Spanish"
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?
Daniel

No, and that's my point. A language can only be 'official' if enshrined in
law, this has never been done under English law. The Welsh language act
1993 is about the nearest be have got to recognising an official language
under English law (or course this part of the law only pertains to Wales).

I think the dispute in the other thread was a question of
capitalisation. I'm not claimined there is an officially (legally)
designated language, what I am saying is that there is only one
language used in formal matters and officialdom.
As such, I think it's safe, and normal, to refer to the language used
in official documentation and official business as the 'official
language'.
Perhaps not the Official Langauge, but certainly the official one.

There are however examples of local enacted legislation which define
English as the defult/normal/assumed language for X, Y or Z.

Just the first example I quickly found:
http://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2006s017.pdf

Not the easiest site to use, but I'm certain I've read a few with a
similar kind of statement, def. the newer ones.

[Yadda Yadda]

Again my point entirely. When the British Empire ruled the world (well most
of it!), we didn't need to enshrine the English Language as an official
language into law, there was simply no need. English is used as our language
by tradition and of course by 'officialdom', road signs, council documents,
Government papers etc but it is not an 'official language' in a legal sense,
Norman French could have a better claim as our 'official language' anyway!

Post by darius

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Daniel
Hi,
Just to clarify the issue of the official language in Gibraltar. This is
'The official language in Gibraltar is English although a mixture of
English and Spanish is spoken in casual conversation. This local "dialect"
is referred to as "Llanito".'
"Gibraltar Facts
Languages: English & Spanish"
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?
Daniel

No, and that's my point. A language can only be 'official' if enshrined in
law, this has never been done under English law. The Welsh language act
1993 is about the nearest be have got to recognising an official language
under English law (or course this part of the law only pertains to Wales).

I think the dispute in the other thread was a question of
capitalisation. I'm not claimined there is an officially (legally)
designated language, what I am saying is that there is only one
language used in formal matters and officialdom.
As such, I think it's safe, and normal, to refer to the language used
in official documentation and official business as the 'official
language'.
Perhaps not the Official Langauge, but certainly the official one.
There are however examples of local enacted legislation which define
English as the defult/normal/assumed language for X, Y or Z.
http://www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi/articles/2006s017.pdf
Not the easiest site to use, but I'm certain I've read a few with a
similar kind of statement, def. the newer ones.

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Yadda Yadda
Again my point entirely. When the British Empire ruled the world (well most
of it!), we didn't need to enshrine the English Language as an official
language into law, there was simply no need. English is used as our language
by tradition and of course by 'officialdom', road signs, council documents,
Government papers etc but it is not an 'official language' in a legal sense,
Norman French could have a better claim as our 'official language' anyway!

Norman-French has NO legal status in Britain. It's only remaining use
is the archaic use by the monarch for giving so-called Royal Assent to
Bills of Parliament. Even that use is declining, now that many of
our laws originate from Europe.

AAMOF even that use is under discussion for revision.
It is a total anachronism to use a language which isn't spoken
anywhere in Britain, or even anywhere in France anymore.

You might just as well mandate Royal Assent to be given in damned
Klingon... Probably a good idea, since more people understand
Klingon.

Old Nick.

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Daniel
Just out of curiosity, is there any Gibraltar or UK legislation which
explicitly states that English is the official language in Gibraltar?
Daniel

Since the legal status of Gibraltar, is that of an Overseas Territory
of Britain and a largely self-governing British Colony.
Then just as English is the official language of Britain, so it is in
Gibraltar.

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm


Nick

p.s. But for the fact that Wellington defeated Napoleon's damned
Frogs, Spain would quite probably have Froggish as their official
language today. The damned Spaniards weren't up to defeating
Napoleon. They were barely up to defeating their own apathy.

[Jim Watt]

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The damned Spaniards weren't up to defeating
Napoleon. They were barely up to defeating their own apathy.

ah but they fought bravely in WW2

albeit for the wrong team, google 'Blue Brigade'
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Jim Watt
ah but they fought bravely in WW2
albeit for the wrong team, google 'Blue Brigade'

But they were too damned apathetic to turf out their own fascist
dictator and waited until the mad bar-steward finally croaked from
senility.

Drake had the right idea about the Spanish... Beat them hard and beat
them often. Otherwise they get too damned lippy and start to imagine
themselves greater than the fifth-rate nation they really are.


Nick.

[PaulusAr]

Hi,

Give credit where credit is due Jim. The Spanish didn't just have a
brigade fighting for the Nazis on the Eastern front. They has a whole
division of fascist volunteers. They wore Nazi uniforms with a small
badge on their sleave showing the Spanish flag and "Espana".
They were called the Blue Division. There were also Spanish pilots
flying for the Luftwaffe. I am sure that the Russians gave them all
what they deserved.

Whatever status English has in Gibraltar is by mutual consent. It is
what the people want. Language enforced by law never works as has been
shown in Spain and even here in Canada. Gibraltarians want English to
be the official language. So it is.

be well
Paulus

Post by Jim Watt

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The damned Spaniards weren't up to defeating
Napoleon. They were barely up to defeating their own apathy.

ah but they fought bravely in WW2
albeit for the wrong team, google 'Blue Brigade'
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

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Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain. There are 6 indigenous
languages in the UK anyway, take your pick!

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda

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Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain.

Who cares? This is Gibraltar and sheep shaggers, sweaties
and micks and worse are immaterial..

The bastard Welsh didn't even want us to vote in the EU
elections and the Minister for Wales is Peter (spit) Hain, and

Windscale can glow merrily in the dark and nuke 'em
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Jim Watt
The bastard Welsh didn't even want us to vote in the EU
elections and the Minister for Wales is Peter (spit) Hain,

When you're right. You're right! :-)

Nick.

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Post by Yadda Yadda

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Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain. There are 6 indigenous
languages in the UK anyway, take your pick!

I'm very glad you mentioned that.

Between the years 1535 and 1542, a series of laws, known collectively,
as the 'Laws in Wales Act.' were enacted in England. (Don't be misled
by the titles, they are part of English Law.)

Amongst other things, those laws specified that "in all matters before
the courts of Wales, English, the official language of England, will
be used."

As a matter of fact, that law wasn't repealed by the 'Welsh Language
Act. of 1967.' Though that Act did allow the use of the Welsh
language before the courts in certain circumstances.

It was not until the 'Welsh Language Act of 1993.' that full official
status and comparability, was given between "Welsh and English, as
Official languages"

Interestingly enough. Similar status under English Law has not been
given to Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Cornish or Manx.

You'll also find interesting definitions given to English, as
"official language" in both the 1707 Act establishing the United
Kingdom of Great Britain, and also in the Wales and Berwick Act of
1746.

It remains a fallacy (albeit a long-held one) amongst 'match-box
lawyers' - those who have got all of the law they know from the backs
of matchboxes - that there is no definition in statute of English as
Official Language in GB

Old Nick.

[Yadda Yadda]

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Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain. There are 6 indigenous
languages in the UK anyway, take your pick!

I'm very glad you mentioned that.
Between the years 1535 and 1542, a series of laws, known collectively,
as the 'Laws in Wales Act.' were enacted in England. (Don't be misled
by the titles, they are part of English Law.)
Amongst other things, those laws specified that "in all matters before
the courts of Wales, English, the official language of England, will
be used."
As a matter of fact, that law wasn't repealed by the 'Welsh Language
Act. of 1967.' Though that Act did allow the use of the Welsh
language before the courts in certain circumstances.
It was not until the 'Welsh Language Act of 1993.' that full official
status and comparability, was given between "Welsh and English, as
Official languages"
Interestingly enough. Similar status under English Law has not been
given to Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Cornish or Manx.
You'll also find interesting definitions given to English, as
"official language" in both the 1707 Act establishing the United
Kingdom of Great Britain, and also in the Wales and Berwick Act of
1746.
It remains a fallacy (albeit a long-held one) amongst 'match-box
lawyers' - those who have got all of the law they know from the backs
of matchboxes - that there is no definition in statute of English as
Official Language in GB
Old Nick.

Can you provide the HMSO link to this?

Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

http://www.gibraltar.gov.uk/int/index.asp

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain. There are 6 indigenous
languages in the UK anyway, take your pick!

I'm very glad you mentioned that.
Between the years 1535 and 1542, a series of laws, known collectively,
as the 'Laws in Wales Act.' were enacted in England. (Don't be misled
by the titles, they are part of English Law.)
Amongst other things, those laws specified that "in all matters before
the courts of Wales, English, the official language of England, will
be used."
As a matter of fact, that law wasn't repealed by the 'Welsh Language
Act. of 1967.' Though that Act did allow the use of the Welsh
language before the courts in certain circumstances.
It was not until the 'Welsh Language Act of 1993.' that full official
status and comparability, was given between "Welsh and English, as
Official languages"
Interestingly enough. Similar status under English Law has not been
given to Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Cornish or Manx.
You'll also find interesting definitions given to English, as
"official language" in both the 1707 Act establishing the United
Kingdom of Great Britain, and also in the Wales and Berwick Act of
1746.
It remains a fallacy (albeit a long-held one) amongst 'match-box
lawyers' - those who have got all of the law they know from the backs
of matchboxes - that there is no definition in statute of English as
Official Language in GB
Old Nick.

Can you provide the HMSO link to this?

An HMSO link to what precisely?

Above are named five specific Acts. of English Law.

Micro-seconds of Googling will take you to those actual laws which you
can read for yourself.

You do know how to Google, don't you?

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

WTF do they know. As in all things, it is what the law say that
matters, not what some website - quite possibly worded so as not to
offend the damned Spaniards - says.

Old Nick.

[Yadda Yadda]

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Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Then just as English is the official language of Britain,

English is not the official language of Britain. There are 6 indigenous
languages in the UK anyway, take your pick!

I'm very glad you mentioned that.
Between the years 1535 and 1542, a series of laws, known collectively,
as the 'Laws in Wales Act.' were enacted in England. (Don't be misled
by the titles, they are part of English Law.)
Amongst other things, those laws specified that "in all matters before
the courts of Wales, English, the official language of England, will
be used."
As a matter of fact, that law wasn't repealed by the 'Welsh Language
Act. of 1967.' Though that Act did allow the use of the Welsh
language before the courts in certain circumstances.
It was not until the 'Welsh Language Act of 1993.' that full official
status and comparability, was given between "Welsh and English, as
Official languages"
Interestingly enough. Similar status under English Law has not been
given to Scottish Gaelic, Irish, Cornish or Manx.
You'll also find interesting definitions given to English, as
"official language" in both the 1707 Act establishing the United
Kingdom of Great Britain, and also in the Wales and Berwick Act of
1746.
It remains a fallacy (albeit a long-held one) amongst 'match-box
lawyers' - those who have got all of the law they know from the backs
of matchboxes - that there is no definition in statute of English as
Official Language in GB
Old Nick.

Can you provide the HMSO link to this?

An HMSO link to what precisely?

To the phrase 'English is the UK's official language' as you so wrongly
claim.

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov
Above are named five specific Acts. of English Law.
Micro-seconds of Googling will take you to those actual laws which you
can read for yourself.
You do know how to Google, don't you?

Yes, nothing doing, sounds like you're making it up, that's why I asked for
you to give me the HMSO links.

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

WTF do they know. As in all things, it is what the law say that
matters, not what some website - quite possibly worded so as not to
offend the damned Spaniards - says.
Old Nick.

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov

Post by Yadda Yadda
Can you provide the HMSO link to this?

An HMSO link to what precisely?

To the phrase 'English is the UK's official language' as you so wrongly
claim.

I referred you to a number of laws. Each of which refer to English as
being the 'official language' - try reading them. Then you can come
back on here and apologise.

Post by Yadda Yadda
Yes, nothing doing,

"Nothing doing" what? I just Googled each of the laws I referred you
to and Google found them straight away, without problem.

I see why others on this newsgroup regard you as a time-wasting troll
old son.

Post by Yadda Yadda
sounds like you're making it up, that's why I asked for
you to give me the HMSO links.

WTF has HMSO got to do with it flower?

In case you were unaware of it, HMSO is NOT the repository of all
texts of English Laws.

If you can't be bothered to look at the references I've already given
you, then why don't you just sod-off and try trolling somebody else
with more time and patience for dealing with mental defectives, than I
have for dealing with you.

Old Nick.

[Yadda Yadda]

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Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by l***@eternal-flames.gov

Post by Yadda Yadda
Can you provide the HMSO link to this?

An HMSO link to what precisely?

To the phrase 'English is the UK's official language' as you so wrongly
claim.

I referred you to a number of laws. Each of which refer to English as
being the 'official language' - try reading them. Then you can come
back on here and apologise.

Simply you claim to be able to read these texts, however you can't seem to
provide any link whatsoever to these texts, the burden of proof is on you
sunshine and you cannot come up with the goods. Very suspicious.

Now you go off and apologise.

[l***@eternal-flames.gov]

Post by Yadda Yadda
Simply you claim to be able to read these texts, however you can't seem to
provide any link whatsoever to these texts, the burden of proof is on you
sunshine and you cannot come up with the goods.

I refer you to the "Statute of Pleading of 1362"

http://www.languageandlaw.org/TEXTS/STATS/PLEADING.HTM

Pay particular attention to the section containing:

"and Places of any other Lords whatsoever withing the Realm, shall be
pleaded, defended, answered, abated, and judged in the English Tongue"


Also

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1993/Ukpga_19930038_en_6.htm

Now I don't get paid to explain the law to idiots, so further
correspondence on this subject with a cretin of your obvious stature,
would I feel be a pointless waste of time. Therefore in the spirit
of passing you some friendly advice, I suggest you now go forth and
multiply.

HTH

Old Nick.

[Yadda Yadda]

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Post by Yadda Yadda
Simply you claim to be able to read these texts, however you can't seem to
provide any link whatsoever to these texts, the burden of proof is on you
sunshine and you cannot come up with the goods.

I refer you to the "Statute of Pleading of 1362"
http://www.languageandlaw.org/TEXTS/STATS/PLEADING.HTM
"and Places of any other Lords whatsoever withing the Realm, shall be
pleaded, defended, answered, abated, and judged in the English Tongue"

Interesting that this is firstly in French! Norman French I shouldn't
wonder, my point exactly.

This doesn't relate to an 'official language' I do not see those words
written.

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Also
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1993/Ukpga_19930038_en_6.htm

A Welsh language Act doesn't prove that the official language of Gibraltar
is English!

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.

It's the official Gibraltar Government site

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.

It's the official Gibraltar Government site

Oh no its not, its the website of the UK office of the Government if
Gibraltar. The OFFICIAL website is

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi

and to finally settle the discussion please read

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm

"Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."

I think thats plain and official enough.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.

It's the official Gibraltar Government site

Oh no its not, its the website of the UK office of the Government if
Gibraltar. The OFFICIAL website is

No read it again it's copyrighted "www.gibraltar.gov.uk
Copyright (C) by Gibraltar Government 2005"

A Gibraltar Government Site, so there.

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda
No read it again it's copyrighted "www.gibraltar.gov.uk
Copyright (C) by Gibraltar Government 2005"

possibly because the tourist office is a government agency;

However the Official Gibraltar Government Website is

www.gibraltar.gov.gi

It says, and I quote,

"Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm

Which settles the argument finally.
-----------------------------------------------------
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Post by Jim Watt
"Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
Which settles the argument finally.
-----------------------------------------------------

Don't waste your time. He's as thick as the proverbial.
A typical matchbox lawyer.

Nick.

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.

It's the official Gibraltar Government site

Oh no its not, its an Official Gibraltar Government website.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Interesting the Gibraltar Government under its 'Gibraltar Facts' section
list Languages as English and Spanish.

get a clue, thats the tourist office site.

It's the official Gibraltar Government site

Oh no its not, its an Official Gibraltar Government website.

OK an official Gibraltar Government Website that states Gibraltar languages
are English and Spanish.

Gibraltar does not have an official language anyway.

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda
OK an official Gibraltar Government Website that states Gibraltar languages
are English and Spanish.

What a surprise ! Some people even speak French and others Hindi

Post by Yadda Yadda
Gibraltar does not have an official language anyway.

Clearly you missed the link I posted:

It says, and I quote,

"Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm

did you miss that bit?

"The official language is English."

What part of OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ENGLISH

now remains in doubt?
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
OK an official Gibraltar Government Website that states Gibraltar languages
are English and Spanish.

What a surprise ! Some people even speak French and others Hindi

Post by Yadda Yadda
Gibraltar does not have an official language anyway.

It says, and I quote,
"Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
did you miss that bit?
"The official language is English."
What part of OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ENGLISH
now remains in doubt?

I was rather hoping for something that pointed to the law rather than the
'match box lawyer' who runs the website interpretation of it.

Please give a link to the law that this relates to. You can't. There is no
'official language' in Gibraltar.

I don't blame you, or whoever wrote that line of text on the website it's a
common misconception.

"The law does not recognise any language as being official, but English is
the only language used in England for general official business. The other
national languages of the UK (Welsh, Irish Gaelic and Scottish Gaelic) are
confined to their respective nations, and only Welsh is treated by law as an
equal to English (and then only for organisations which do business in
Wales)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England

What part of THE LAW DOES NOT RECOGNISE ANY LANGUAGE AS BEING OFFICIAL now
remains in doubt?

[Jim Watt]

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:41:56 +0100, "Yadda Yadda" <***@yad.da>
wrote:

Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."

http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm

let me explain some things

Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.

They make the laws so they should know.

Whatever happens in the UK is another thing altogether and even
Wikipedia does not cite Wilkipedia as a source.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

[Yadda Yadda]

Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

[Jim Watt]

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.

Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.


--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.
Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.

But it's based on English law, show the specific Gibraltar legislation that
says that English is the Official Language of Gibraltar then? You can't,
put or shut!

[darius]

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.
Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.

But it's based on English law, show the specific Gibraltar legislation that
says that English is the Official Language of Gibraltar then? You can't,
put or shut!

There are a number of pieces of legislation that confirm English to be
the expected/default language matters conducted under them or
with-reference to them.

Look for some of the newer laws on www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi

However, official business in Gibraltar is conducted in english, and
only english.
That is a matter fact - if you don't believe me come here and take a
look (or rather listed).

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Post by Jim Watt

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.
Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.

But it's based on English law, show the specific Gibraltar legislation that
says that English is the Official Language of Gibraltar then? You can't,
put or shut!

There are a number of pieces of legislation that confirm English to be
the expected/default language matters conducted under them or
with-reference to them.
Look for some of the newer laws on www.gibraltarlaws.gov.gi
However, official business in Gibraltar is conducted in english, and
only english.
That is a matter fact - if you don't believe me come here and take a
look (or rather listed).

I accept that English is used for official business, but that doesn't make
it an 'official language'.

[Jim Watt]

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.
Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.

But it's based on English law, show the specific Gibraltar legislation that
says that English is the Official Language of Gibraltar then? You can't,
put or shut!

The Government has said it and thats enough. Government makes the
laws.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Post by Jim Watt
Most inhabitants are bilingual in English and Spanish although the
official language is English."
http://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/gov_depts/finance/gib_const_legal_services.htm
let me explain some things
Thats the Official Government of Gibraltar website.
They make the laws so they should know.

Gibraltar runs under English law

Uh no.
Gibraltar runs under Gibraltar laws, the system is based
on English law but is a separate jurisdiction.

But it's based on English law, show the specific Gibraltar legislation that
says that English is the Official Language of Gibraltar then? You can't,
put or shut!

The Government has said it and thats enough. Government makes the
laws.

The Government has also said that languages are English and Spanish in
Gibraltar, the important thing is what the law says and it doesn't insist on
an official language, in fact the website that Darius quoted is interesting
that communication can be made in a language other than English (almost
certainly Spanish) if both parties agree to it. If English was an official
language then that wouldn't be the case.

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda
The Government has also said that languages are English and Spanish in
Gibraltar, the important thing is what the law says and it doesn't insist on
an official language, in fact the website that Darius quoted is interesting
that communication can be made in a language other than English (almost
certainly Spanish) if both parties agree to it. If English was an official
language then that wouldn't be the case.

A language 'other than English does not imply Spanish, although it is
a valid choice, along with Urdu, Tagalog, Rubesh and Jenisch

But let me ask again what part of the statement on the Gibraltar
Government website that says "English is the official language of
Gibraltar" don't you understand ?
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
The Government has also said that languages are English and Spanish in
Gibraltar, the important thing is what the law says and it doesn't insist on
an official language, in fact the website that Darius quoted is interesting
that communication can be made in a language other than English (almost
certainly Spanish) if both parties agree to it. If English was an official
language then that wouldn't be the case.

A language 'other than English does not imply Spanish, although it is
a valid choice, along with Urdu, Tagalog, Rubesh and Jenisch
But let me ask again what part of the statement on the Gibraltar
Government website that says "English is the official language of
Gibraltar" don't you understand ?

It's not true, just because someone has written something on a website
doesn't mean it is law, I can point to an Official Gibraltar Website that
says the language in Gibraltar are English and Spanish (no mention of Urdu
etc).

Gibraltar does not have an official language, what part of that don't you
understand?

Give me the actual piece of English or Gibraltar law that say English is
'The Official Language', you can't, put up or shut up.

[Jim Watt]

Post by Yadda Yadda
Gibraltar does not have an official language, what part of that don't you
understand?

Oh yes it does, and its English.

Are you really are a matchbox lawyer ?

Who says there needs to be a law? Official means that someone
Official has decided it and thats the way it is.

Let me remind you of the wording:

"English is the official language of Gibraltar"

Now although it says in the Bible 'thou shalt not kill' and it may
say in the Constitution that nobody shall be deprived of their
life, there is no law against people being killed, just to punish
people who do it.

The tourist office website say that English and Spanish are
spoken in Gibraltar, which is true, and the Govrnment of Gibraltar
website says the Official language is English, which it is.

That is the language the laws are published in, not any other
and thats the way it is, whether you like it or not.

I don't know if you speak Urdu or the other examples but you seem
e-fluent in Rubesh.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Post by Jim Watt

Post by Yadda Yadda
Gibraltar does not have an official language, what part of that don't you
understand?

Oh yes it does, and its English.

Gibraltar does not have an official language

Post by Jim Watt
Are you really are a matchbox lawyer ?

Are you?

Post by Jim Watt
Who says there needs to be a law?

If there is no official language under law then your stuffed when you say
that there is!

Post by Jim Watt
Official means that someone
Official has decided it and thats the way it is.

No it doesn't, an official language is different from a language used for
official business, a subtle but important difference.

Post by Jim Watt
"English is the official language of Gibraltar"
Now although it says in the Bible 'thou shalt not kill' and it may
say in the Constitution

Constitution? What constitution is that?

Post by Jim Watt
The tourist office website say that English and Spanish are
spoken in Gibraltar, which is true,

And the Government of Gibraltar Website says Gibraltar facts: languages
English and Spanish

and the Govrnment of Gibraltar

Post by Jim Watt
website says the Official language is English, which it is.

No it isn't, Gibraltar does not have an official language

Post by Jim Watt
That is the language the laws are published in, not any other
and thats the way it is, whether you like it or not.

It doesn't matter what I like or not, what's that got to do with Gibraltar's
lack of an official language?

[Jim Watt]

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Constitution? What constitution is that?

The Gibraltar Constitution

Post by Yadda Yadda
Gibraltar does not have an official language

Then you had better write to the webmaster of the
Official Government site and ask him to correct the
statement

"The Official language is English"

I suggest you write in English. He may tell you
to FOAD this is an official term thanking you for
your help.

Goodnight.

--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

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Constitution? What constitution is that?
Gibraltar does not have an official language

Then you had better write to the webmaster of the
Official Government site and ask him to correct the
statement
"The Official language is English"

Perhaps I will

Post by Jim Watt
I suggest you write in English. He may tell you
to FOAD this is an official term thanking you for
your help.

Ahh the 'media adviser' using all his politeness only a Tory can muster,
what do you call the Spanish again? Nothing racialist I hope.

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Post by Jim Watt
Oh yes it does, and its English.

Jim. Why are you wasting your time arguing with a cretin?
Stick him in your kill-file as so many others have done.

Then. Unless somebody bothers to quote his repetitive tripe, you won't
see him again and you certainly won't miss him... Trust me on this.

Nick.